some very good points and ideas bro.

from what ive seen there are no races they are trying to have classes replace races and have the "all purpose" class replace humans. since they are all human atm technically.


it is a good idea though, since the "humans" are always fuking up the balance in that they are either too powerful vs "races" or too weak, you could either, make some kickass races, have their skills decided on which class they choose, maybe make a cool race stone or something, then give humans some sort of ability and make them choose a class as well, since its f***** stupid to begin with to think that a human is the only race capable of mastering different skill sets.(not that anyone did i hope) make their caps all the same depending on class choice.

or, just keep everything like it is, except stop calling classes races, and take out the all purpose class altogether, all humans, like it is now, cept same skill caps, choose ur class.

or just have all humans who can train all skills like every other shard out there. boring but perfectly balanced pvp. all staff have to worry about is tweaking skills.

having both is too hard to balance, its never been balanced lets be honest, we had like human mages and tanks vs vamp warriors the rest of the races were shitty, for a while some races were better then nerfed cuz omg they killed a human etc... its never been more than humans and one race or so that were worth a damn, need to have all the same skill cap. pple would be pissed losing their "humans" so maybe we just all need to be "human", but if you like the classes or races or whatever that makes obsidian unique, youd have to say bye bye to the all purpose char and give everyone the same cap and choice of class.

it aint never gonna be balanced cuz one can do everything and others cant, either be too good or too sux cuz of less skill points depending on the pvp system.you cant make a "warrior race" good without making it too much better than a warrior human, if you make it weaker, its pointless to have cuz u can just be warrior human, see where im going with this.

anyways i just like the pple and staff, i dont really care what happens system wise.

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well i'll tell you one thing when we finally get race stones back they better have some damn good abilities on them otherwise races will be shit and people will just switch all there chars to human anyway.

id rather shit be like it was b4 as balanced as possible but not balanced , because its retarded having everyone with the same abilitys and stuff, like if the shard was to be straight classes and no race.
unless more skills where moved to race only
EG.
humans can't train tactics, but vamp warriors can, but human warriors can pick up archery or magery, making them kinda even out at the end, depending on how tactics is tweaked

and humans cant GM med, as warlocks can, and all warlocks can have some skill in necromancy like 75% while necros can GM necro and only have 80% magery
evening necros with warlock mages that have been evened with human mages.

than after all the classes( meaning mage warrior tank) have been evened within there races,
then the races would have to be evened out.

well that's just a idea, numbers can be changed, anyway I see it humans shouldn't be able to GM all skills, but alot more skills across classes. but not as effectively or fully.

OR maybe just make humans so they cant GM any non crafting skill
so if its not crafting they wont be as elite as other races, but give them higher cap or something, I dunno like i said it can be played with
just off the top of the head ideas

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so like give everyone the same skill cap, have races, humans elves vamps etc.. but all the same till class choice decides their skills and limits.

maybe throw in one unique race ability for each race including humans of course.

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easiest way to even it out is to lower humans stat cap by 20.... doing that would take care of what ever edge they have... making it more balanced imo and maybe raising races by 5 or something.... what would make it better for necros is if they could get nightmares agian... bet your ass id make a necro agian... and actually finish him

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What are we going to accomplish tho by making humans suck to balance to races that suck? Because that is basically what we will have. I don't see why we are doing all this crap when the old limitations etc. with a few tweeks here and there would have made a far more balanced system than what we have now. By adding more limitations to races then humans and back and forth sure they will be balanced in the end but they won't be worth anything when they are.

well in a game power is just numbers compared to anther set of numbers.
so nothing will really get less sucky, if all them are brought up or down by the right %. and you cant tell if the races are less sucky if the world it interacts with around it is dummed down by the same.
meaning youll still be able to kill the same monsters and do the same shit, and accomplish the same damage its just the races will be able to keep up, if done correctly all it should effectivly do is just that, even out races

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So why hasn't that happened then? My pvmer is atleast 1/3 less powerful as it used to be, when you take wrestling misses and a major decline in dex once pollied, lowered ra etc. I used to be able to solo claw deamons now i have to run like hell to avoid being killed by a giant serpent.

i dunno if something has changed since i hunted last cuz it was like in January i think so anyways i had to change tactics a bit but overall seemed i was more powerful than the old system if anything. and my mage is built for pvp not pvm. too bad i suck at both.

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lol belg. they monsters and stuff would have to get tuned down or up as the players do
i said the enviroment around it has to getg changed also,
so those claw deamons u run from now, might not be so hard if they were dumbed down

ur pvm was snuffed and deamon got pimped out so what do u expect to happen? what i said never happened in the slightest lol

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well an easy way to off set the nurfing of polly is easy enough since i know a long time ago they were monkeying around with wrestling weapons... i think if they did something like that it would make deamons alot better... also while hunting i have noticed that stuff i used to be able to solo is alot harder now so im not disagreeing with you on that... but i dunno no one ever listens to my ideas anyhow so not like its going to happen

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actually for the parts that pertain to new obsidian ya i do listen to you! not like i really matter but if i do listen im pretty sure others listen also lol

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My main point tho is why revamp everything and try to blance it when you already had something that was pretty close already. If you build a house and something is wrong with the roof you don't tear it right down to the foundation and start over, you fix the roof.

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in my honest opinion there is a lot more wrong than just the roof in this case... and i think it goes back along time so a revamp might be a good idea...

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