DX Gaming :: A potential problem

GMBob wrote:K, sure. let's go back to that. Tell you what, you all go convince broadband that you want the shard back to overpowered and i'll do it.

He wanted races and classes finished and balanced, so they were.
Personally i think it was the right choice, even if some of the methods of doing it were a bit off. Having every f****** warrior on the shard except 5 vets, who had a choice, be vampire, was retarded.

Add to that insanely imbalanced considering the game was balanced to 680, not 780, skillcap.

And venom, by that logic, we should give everyone gm characters and all the weapons and items they want, because that's more fun from a players point of view.

Players will naturally prefer an overpowered game to a balanced game. It's a fact of life. And as much as it sucks, it's staff's job to consider the game as a whole and put up with this whiny bull of players bitching and moaning without offering any useful suggestions.

Note I said useful.
I've outlined, MANY TIMES, what the requirements for the character class/race balance was, and the thought process that led to where it currently is.

and I said, many times, IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT, COME UP WITH A BETTER ONE.
That does not mean bitch and moan until we ban you for being an asshat, that means use your skull and THINK of an alternative that fits the criteria.

Author:	_Iori_ [ Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:25 pm ]
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well im stay as a Warrior VAMP , i just say good bye to archery

Author:	belgarion [ Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:36 pm ]
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_Iori_ wrote:well im stay as a Warrior VAMP , i just say good bye to archery Then say hello to pvm and goodbye to pvp.

Author:	Echo [ Sun Aug 17, 2008 11:13 pm ]
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belgarion wrote: chips LL wrote:gm human warriors are OK if you have everything GMed lolz specially magic resist but if everyone sucks then no one sucks DURR Are you retarded? The entire thread is about mages vs warriors. In the present system a vamp warrior unless he manages to get a mage outside, and in 4 walls is toast. Otherwise the mage just runs around spamming fs. And no human warriors are not ok compared to a good mage because especially with vet bonuses lowered you cannot gm enough skills to make a difference. What will probably happen is you will see everyone go human and go tank and pure warrior will be a thing of the past. Actually at the moment warriors rape the shit out of mages.

Author:	GMBob [ Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:44 am ]
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To quantify echo's post: Warriors rape the shit out of mages when the warrior either: A. knows what's he's doing and doesn't let the mage run around when meleeing. or B. Has archery and the mage has no clue what he's doing. It's still imbalanced, but not in the way most people are complaining about, and there are stlil tweaks to be done. But as i said, we'll work on it till it's done.

Author:	Apocalypse [ Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:01 am ]
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It's imbalanced when everyshot you get shot you get fizzled. And then put up a stone wall and still get shot at

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Author:	chips LL [ Mon Aug 18, 2008 2:17 pm ]
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lol ya ummm i don't die on inter like at all and ima human lol wit no parry so i dont no what u talkin bout belg but if u say so i didn't think fs spams could kill a good warrior -_- specially when everything fizzles a mage and half there regs get devoured by there armor lolz

Author:	_Venom_ [ Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:02 pm ]
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The Perfect Solution drum roll Go back to the near-balanced system we all loved 3 years ago with bug fixes. It was PERFECT except for the bugs which are FIXED NOW. GO BACK TO THE OLD SYSTEM. Idk about you but I seriously loved the old system, it was perfect. PvP ROCKED then. PvP is basically going further and further down the more it changes when it didnt even need to change, the ONLY problem was bugs.

Author:	_Iori_ [ Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:31 pm ]
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i agree with Venom

Author:	chips LL [ Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:04 pm ]
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very true venom cept the smaller weps should be a bit more powerfull and thats all

Author:	_Venom_ [ Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:40 pm ]
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Yeah sure a few SMALL tweaks here and there would help but overall the system owned. I dont care that it was "incomplete" and "imbalanced" the fact is you cant make a better system (from the PLAYERS point of view) than we already had. And dont get me wrong im not saying all the changes are bad, new armor and fish are great additions and we could always use new things but the PvP system was awesome the way it was and didnt need to be changed.

Author:	phoenixhunter [ Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:16 pm ]
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Yeah I think that was right before poisoning skill became important. I remember that, and I dont remember many complains

Author:	GMBob [ Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:16 am ]
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K, sure. let's go back to that. Tell you what, you all go convince broadband that you want the shard back to overpowered and i'll do it. He wanted races and classes finished and balanced, so they were. Personally i think it was the right choice, even if some of the methods of doing it were a bit off. Having every f****** warrior on the shard except 5 vets, who had a choice, be vampire, was retarded. Add to that insanely imbalanced considering the game was balanced to 680, not 780, skillcap. And venom, by that logic, we should give everyone gm characters and all the weapons and items they want, because that's more fun from a players point of view. Players will naturally prefer an overpowered game to a balanced game. It's a fact of life. And as much as it sucks, it's staff's job to consider the game as a whole and put up with this whiny bullshit of players bitching and moaning without offering any useful suggestions. Note I said useful. I've outlined, MANY TIMES, what the requirements for the character class/race balance was, and the thought process that led to where it currently is. and I said, many times, IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT, COME UP WITH A BETTER ONE. That does not mean bitch and moan until we ban you for being an asshat, that means use your skull and THINK of an alternative that fits the criteria.

Author:	_Venom_ [ Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:45 am ]
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If you say it was overpowered because only a few people had vamps, enable races. They werent really overpowered, a good human mage or human warrior could still kill a vamp warrior 1v1. I've seen 2 vamps go down in a 2v1 to a human. ROFL at your give everyone free items comment, I never implied anything of the sort because IMO shards like that suck, I said that players had more fun with the old PvP system... I didn't say anything close to "give players free shit cause that would be l337!!!" Honestly the slow skill gains and all were alot of my appeal to Obsidian, acually felt accomplishment after GMing a char. And YES vampires should be the warrior of choice... they are a WARRIOR class, I honestly dont think there is much of a point of races if humans are better than all of them (which they are). The old system wasnt nearly as imbalanced as you make it out to be, in the old system anybody could kill anyone, which sounds pretty fair to me. And if you want to ban me for being an "asshat" feel free because while i havent done anything wrong at all im just pointing out my opinion that would make the shard a better place.

Author:	Barney [Reapers] [ Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:08 am ]
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GMBob wrote:K, sure. let's go back to that. Tell you what, you all go convince broadband that you want the shard back to overpowered and i'll do it. He wanted races and classes finished and balanced, so they were. Personally i think it was the right choice, even if some of the methods of doing it were a bit off. Having every f****** warrior on the shard except 5 vets, who had a choice, be vampire, was retarded. Add to that insanely imbalanced considering the game was balanced to 680, not 780, skillcap. And venom, by that logic, we should give everyone gm characters and all the weapons and items they want, because that's more fun from a players point of view. Players will naturally prefer an overpowered game to a balanced game. It's a fact of life. And as much as it sucks, it's staff's job to consider the game as a whole and put up with this whiny bull of players bitching and moaning without offering any useful suggestions. Note I said useful. I've outlined, MANY TIMES, what the requirements for the character class/race balance was, and the thought process that led to where it currently is. and I said, many times, IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT, COME UP WITH A BETTER ONE. That does not mean bitch and moan until we ban you for being an asshat, that means use your skull and THINK of an alternative that fits the criteria. Eh, convince Broadband??!!??! forgive the insolence but how the bloody hell does he know if its balanced or not? word of mouth?, a hunch? a wild stab in the dark guess? - Im pretty much guessing its been a while since he played any PvP on this shard - it ISNT balanced at the minute and by the rate of it, it isnt going to be - Jesus lets just end all this crap and have one race to choose with 700 skillcap - i'd gladly toss all my race chars in for that and there you go completley balanced - no races no shit all else just pure unadulterated UO, then all you guys will have to do is figure a way to balance mage vs warior

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Author:	Apocalypse [ Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:07 am ]
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Hell, as long as I'm having fun, I really don't give a flying f***. Take it back to where it was, it was perfect. That's the kind of thing I was training for, not this...I really didn't see anything wrong with the system back then except for warriors being a tad bit weak. I'm sure that isn't hard to fix (not taking archery away.) So I agree with venom 110%