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subwulf wrote:change infinite to ALOT in and that sounds right thass,,
and all of what u said depends on light not being a physical object, which is probably not true and seeing at it is most likly a wave in which we know atoms vibrate to create, waves being the way they function are fast but will never have ''infinite'' speed, thus its speed is reachable, and when we learn how it will probably not be that hard to reach, if you think about it we can create light, when its not there we can "create it" with electic, and it doesn't take much of the right material to make light which obvously doesnt have infinite energy(unless we would have a infinite renewable energy source) so if we Xthe energy by 200000X it might be plausible to accelerate something extremely small to close to the speed of light, using the destroy a bit of matter using the reaction from elctric forces in the right gas, just like we create light from our light bulbs

and i just ate like half a drunk chickenand am still hungry and WOOT!

Author:	RvnScarlet [ Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:13 am ]
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ctrl c/ctrl v

Author:	Thassius [ Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:19 am ]
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Yup, the only thing that Dracula has mastered is his Google Diploma and his Windows Clipboard Copy and Paste degree.

Author:	belgarion [ Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:01 am ]
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This was an interesting thread until the posts got WAY TO LONG!!!!!!!!!

Author:	Thassius [ Thu Jan 18, 2007 12:21 pm ]
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Von_Ogre wrote:If you want to get into technicalities, if the light particles were to leave the headlights of a car traveling at the speed of light, it would become classified as a "tachyon", which is a particle that travels at super-luminal velocities. Since tachyons move faster than the speed of light, it is theorized that they have their own timeline and, thus, could possibly travel back in time. So, basically, if you overlook the fact that it takes infinite energy levels to break the "light barrier", you would probably be suffering some seriously newt-ish doom The speed of light in a vacuum is absolute. Light from those headlamps would travel no faster than light from a stationary source to an outside observer. The aforementioned example would not produce a tachyon. The difference would be the perception of the speed of this light to the driver. Lets say, for example, that the driver was moving 9/10's the speed of light. To an observer (if such observation were possible), the light from the headlamps would appear to be moving at 1/10th c (velocity of light along the vector) faster than the car. HOWEVER to the driver, the headlights would appear normal, and moving at the full speed of light. This because in fact time slows down as you approach light speed. Time for him would be 1/10th as fast as for us, and thus the equation would balance... ie 100m/s over 10 seconds travels the same distance as 1000m/s over 1 second. Ignoring that infinite energy is required to reach light speed, we can carry this argument towards the tachyon theory. You can see from the above that, while a superluminal car would in essence be formed of tachyons, it would not be possible (following Einsteins theory of special relativity) for the light itself from the headlamps to follow suit. In theory, no light would be seen. Given that it is not possible to accelerate light to superluminal velocities, we would have to concede on one of several points in order for your headlights to produce a tachyon: a) Ignore general relativity To accelerate a particle from subluminal to superluminal velocities would require infinite energy providing infinite accerlation over a finite timeframe, or infinite energy provinging finite accerlation over an inifite timeframe, and is therefore theoretically impossible. Tachyons differ in that they are superluminal from the beginning, but it iis mpossible for light to be faster than light without implying acceleration, is it not? b) Get light to go faster (Casimir vacuum) Naturally, the absolute velocity of light is calculated based on a vacuum. However, what if vacuum energy (present in a vacuum) were lowered? This would mean that light would theoretically travel faster than the standard c. Unfortunately though this would still not allow superluminar velocities - it would simply allow light to travel faster than light relative to a standard vacuum. c) Give up causality The idea that travel at the speed of light is possible by not travelling through the intervening space (eg a wormhole) would remove the issue about infinite acceleration being required. However, the idea of 'folding time' does not support Tachyons. Going beyond the speed of light would thus require infinite energy - which isn't sensible. Novikovs self-consistency principle states that, while time travel is possible, it never leads to paradoxes. d) Give up (absolute) relativity There is a theory that the speed of light (c) may be a variable - thus giving the theory that zero mass particles may be able to be superluminal. This is supported by the tachyon theory that the energy of a tachyon, unlike other particles, decreases as its speed increases... rather than where a subluminal particle would be require more and more energy (towards infinity) to accelerate it to light speed. However, even if this theory were true, the same does not apply to particles that have mass (such as the car), which would in fact have infinite mass at light speed and require infinite energy to get there. Again, not a sensible notion. e) Go somewhere where the speed of light is not the limit Hyperspace/subspace where the laws of physics dont apply? I'm not even going to go into that one. No real proof or theories at all. f) Become faster without acceleration This would be interesting, removing the need for infinite time or acceleration. Similar to the idea of using wormholes to instantly change location, there might be a method to instantly change velocity, rather than having to accelerate through all intermediate velocities. This would basically appear as teleportation. However, to get the car 'cross-luminal' (ie from subluminal to superluminal speeds in order to test the headlights in the first place) would require infinite energy... and thus is obsurd. *Please read that. It makes sense to me. And it wasnt copied and pasted*.

Author:	subwulf [ Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:27 pm ]
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change infinite to ALOT in and that sounds right thass,, and all of what u said depends on light not being a physical object, which is probably not true and seeing at it is most likly a wave in which we know atoms vibrate to create, waves being the way they function are fast but will never have ''infinite'' speed, thus its speed is reachable, and when we learn how it will probably not be that hard to reach, if you think about it we can create light, when its not there we can "create it" with electic, and it doesn't take much of the right material to make light which obvously doesnt have infinite energy(unless we would have a infinite renewable energy source) so if we Xthe energy by 200000X it might be plausible to accelerate something extremely small to close to the speed of light, using the destroy a bit of matter using the reaction from elctric forces in the right gas, just like we create light from our light bulbs and i just ate like half a drunk chickenand am still hungry and WOOT!

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Author:	Von_Ogre [ Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:27 pm ]
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I dig ya, Thass. All that does make good sense. I know that the example wouldn't normally be able to create a tachyon, that's why I threw in the proviso that you must "ignore the fact that infinite energy is needed to break the 'light barrier'". I must say that was a top-shelf post

Author:	Dracula [ Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:19 pm ]
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subwulf wrote:change infinite to ALOT in and that sounds right thass,, and all of what u said depends on light not being a physical object, which is probably not true and seeing at it is most likly a wave in which we know atoms vibrate to create, waves being the way they function are fast but will never have ''infinite'' speed, thus its speed is reachable, and when we learn how it will probably not be that hard to reach, if you think about it we can create light, when its not there we can "create it" with electic, and it doesn't take much of the right material to make light which obvously doesnt have infinite energy(unless we would have a infinite renewable energy source) so if we Xthe energy by 200000X it might be plausible to accelerate something extremely small to close to the speed of light, using the destroy a bit of matter using the reaction from elctric forces in the right gas, just like we create light from our light bulbs and i just ate like half a drunk chickenand am still hungry and WOOT! Then our entire universe is swallowed up into a singularity again.. And a new universe continues the neverending journey.. To create an intelligence large enough to again destroy it and continue the cycle.. On a side not i imagine it would be wicked scary going at light speed... Fug dat sht mang.. I couldnt bother to read any of this until thass and subs last posts.. How many theoretical physicists can possibly be on this board...

Author:	Spokk [ Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:37 pm ]
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Forget traveling a light speeds. at a rate of acceleration that would get a human up there without crushing him he would be dead of old age. also if a ship were to travel at light speed it would creat so much gravety that it would become much like a black hole sucking every thing in.

Author:	Emo [ Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:32 pm ]
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If you were making love to your wife and heaven forbid, she died, would you stop?

Author:	EMMA_GRACE_JESSY_LOGAN [ Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:16 pm ]
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Awwww Mack thts just wrong ! lmao! x x x

Author:	Dark_phoenix [ Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:20 pm ]
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Emo wrote:If you were making love to your wife and heaven forbid, she died, would you stop? not till i am finished no...

Author:	Emo [ Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:22 pm ]
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tell 'em craig. tell the world.

Author:	Emo [ Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:54 pm ]
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YOU HURTED MY FWEELINGS WITH YOUR AVATAR EMMA :'( TEAR TEAR

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