Alright I was talking with restless while we were at the gym and this is what we came up with. After reading most posts about changing which skills, addign archery ad whatsoever this is my idea. When PVMing Parrying is much more usefull although in my opinion for a warrior is still pretty much useless. It doesnt do much. A mage with RA and PRot works great. But in pvp no one uses the shield much, mostly 2 handed weapons in everything. SO The Warrior Class should be divided in two sections! Why? The ranger class is too weak to be a class on its own; Im pretty sure no one is using that class for fighting purposes except if hes a tamer. So first class would be all the standard one we have right now: Parrying basically. But, his parrying should be more effective. The second class would be limited to only two handed weps and no shields, but he could use archery. That way it is balanced, for both pvm and pvp and no one gets both.

umm everyone would be the double handed one lol

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no one uses the ranger class because they can't wear heavy armour..
i think rangers should be able to wear heavy armour to balance it..
so the different between both classes (warrior/ranger) should be that warriors can use only melee weapons, and rangers uses only range weapons.

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I didn't like being a ranger, not only because of the armor, but because I didn't like having to use only a bow, even in short range fights. Being a ranger without plate would be ok if they could use fencing, but I would probably still choose human and get the best of all things.

I might take the two handed option. I had to loose parry anyway to turn human...I can't see bob going for it though....like chips said, everyone would choose the 2 handed option.

If they are in PVP: Yes, they would but Pvmers who get a bonus with shields would use shield and then there is the players who dont want to train archery. The parrying class isnt forced to only use 1 handed weapons it has the choice in using 1 handed or 2 handed but cant use bows. The other class the archers, never learned how to use a shield so using 1 handed weapons is useless in their nature. Maybe even make it that they can only use smaller swords, like broad swords or hatchets stuff like that cause its a bummer for all the players that just cant play a race because of teh restriction.

My personal opinion:It sucks because Ive been waiting forever for races, and now basically I cant take them on my warrior, who is my fav character, because Id have to get rid of my favorite skill which is archery, and without armor and close handed combat weapons then hes useless

I say allow rangers to be able to use daggers and/or krysses, which are light weapons that an archer would carry as a secondary weapon. Daggers are good enough, dealing basically the same amount of damage as a kryss. It would be especially cool if the ranger class got its own class skill to drop caltrops, which would deal damage (edit: when stepped on).

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if they just enabled us to wear heavy armour on rangers.. i will turn lpl to a ranger!

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I get where GM Bob is coming from for rangers not wearing plate mail; such armor would impede the finer movements required for accurate archery.

However, Maher also makes a point for the sake of balance. If rangers could shoot while moving, not being able to wear plate mail wouldn't be such a problem. However, since archery requires one to momentarily stand still, rangers are very vulnerable to attack at such a moment. It isn't exactly balanced that warriors can still swing their melee weapons and cause damage while moving. The mage class is able to move and cast spells, which is probably why the class was limited to ring mail armor. Consequently, it doesn't make much sense balance-wise for the class that is required to remain immobile the most to not be able to wear the best armor type.

Therefore, to fuse both the real-world and balance, I propose that rangers be allowed to at least wear plate mail chest plates, gorgets, and open-faced helmets in addition to chain mail. Take a look at the following picture.



Look at all that archery-necessary free movement of the arms and hands that a plate mail chest plate and plate mail gorget would still allow; the open faced helmet would still allow a ranger to have the required sight for archery. Additionally, since most players ride around on mounts, it might also be acceptable for rangers to be able to wear plate mail legs if allowing plate mail gorgets, open faced helmets, and chests is not balanced enough.

Otherwise, make it so that rangers can shoot arrows/bolts while moving, possibly at a slight loss of accuracy.

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rangers can use daggers, at least they could when I was a ranger. I thought bob changed it so that all races could use them, because they are basically a crafting tool, and they don't have the durability to use in a fight.

Another reason I didn't like the ranger class is because decent weapons were impossible to find. GM ones were available, but they're on par with might or force weapons. At least with melee weapons we have more then 3 choices in a category, so they drop a little more frequently.

The durability of daggers is comparable to any other weapon now.

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Ok ! but rangers should be allwoed to use swordanship as well not justfencing, like a katana. Im pretty sure that a ranger who goes on teh battle field in a real life fight would not just cary a bow, he would be stupid to just do that. IF we look at lord of the rings, The elven race wear a platemail and use there bows,except for legolas who is the exception, but in the first battles they were able to use bows, Maybe make it that the elven races of the shard be able to wear a special type of elven platemail, that is light. Elves are suppose to be teh best with bows, and very skilled with precision as well as theyre agility. I think that the woodelf ranger class should be able to wear platemail but a special craftable one that isnt to strong maybe somewhere along the lines of shadow/agapite, OR simple jsut liek the ranger class use heavy armor.

And just another thing, warriors shoul;dbe able to use normal crossbows, not heavy ones, it does not take any big movements to wield one.

And that's about where i stop caring.
As a mythos, lord of the rings is very intricate and detailed, however it also has a lot of assumptions that make it impractical to base balance on, considering britannia more closely models the real world.

That being said rangers are restricted as they are because they're more than just bow-users. Bardic skills just aren't in yet. It's on the for-fun list that i've been kinda neglecting to get the more important stuff working first. Trust me the last thing you want is a bow wielding bard in platemail. Talk about bloody murder

I took all that time to make my awesome post and Bob doesn't even acknowledge me.

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Why would you talk about obsidian out in public?

why would u take timeto come flame me on my post. Im not screaming out loud in teh gym I love fighting DRAKES ! YA so man stfu