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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:25 pm 

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Drinking alcohol doesn't effect you with temporary negative stats anymore.

Could this be set to do so? It is an effective aid in training at low levels and is missed dearly :(

If you can;t at least get drunk while training for weeks, then that makes for a very sad time.

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I've still got a trunk full of Oktoberfest brew for the Halloween Party no one showed up for LOL

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 4:51 am 
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You do realise that drinking vast quantities of alcohol in order to lower stats and thus gain quicker could be considered an exploit? That is probably why it was changed :)

It doesnt make sense in the game for training to be more effective when you are drunk.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:41 pm 

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Sure it makes sense.

1) You have to concentrate much harder to complete the task at hand and therefore use more stamina, strength and intelligence.

2) The only bug that was there was possibly the fact that it was impossible to dispel someone if they were drunk aka cursed.

3) I am right, you are wrong.

4) Alcohol costs money and in order to gain a stat, you would have to consume many bottles consecutively, costing you money and balancing it.

5) Is it exploiting for someone to have clumsy cast on them while training?

6) Read these points and confess your ignorance.

7) Happy holidays everyone :P

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 4:50 pm 
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aleksander wrote:Sure it makes sense.

1) You have to concentrate much harder to complete the task at hand and therefore use more stamina, strength and intelligence.

You would concentrate harder while drink driving does that make you a better driver?


2) The only bug that was there was possibly the fact that it was impossible to dispel someone if they were drunk aka cursed.
I dont see how that is relevant in any way to skill training

3) I am right, you are wrong.
instant fail


4) Alcohol costs money and in order to gain a stat, you would have to consume many bottles consecutively, costing you money and balancing it.
if costing money was a reason to accelerate training we'd let you get to GM using a vendor

5) Is it exploiting for someone to have clumsy cast on them while training?
being drunk and being clumsy are not the same thing

6) Read these points and confess your ignorance.
the sheer irony here is the funniest thing

7) Happy holidays everyone :P
agreed :D

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All I've said is that using beer to accelerate training is not really going to be a dev priority when it Isn't something that alcohol was designed for.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:50 pm 

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Sure it makes sense.

1) You have to concentrate much harder to complete the task at hand and therefore use more stamina, strength and intelligence.

You would concentrate harder while drink driving does that make you a better driver?
--I know some good drunk drivers. Over time, habitual alcoholics become quite adept at covering the fact that they are drunk. They are quite good at driving drunk and even better when sober because they are used to concentrating so much when not sober. Nevermind drunk...If in any way someone is handicapped, they have to adapt and become better at something using less...this is the same thing. Call it what you want.

2) The only bug that was there was possibly the fact that it was impossible to dispel someone if they were drunk aka cursed.
I dont see how that is relevant in any way to skill training
--It is relevent to you mentioning alcohol being used as an exploit.

3) I am right, you are wrong.
instant fail
--Is that a quote directly from your teachers? Obviously, this must be put to a vote. Obsidianites, feel free to cast your vote on this to determine who is correct once and for all.

4) Alcohol costs money and in order to gain a stat, you would have to consume many bottles consecutively, costing you money and balancing it.
if costing money was a reason to accelerate training we'd let you get to GM using a vendor
--Many people DID use vendors to GM skills...hmm...archery(even not using arrows!), poison, anatomy, herding, eval int, perhaps taste ID for the sickos. Who knows what else...But I am sure you didn't mean it that way. You meant it like someone would buy something from a vendor and use it to gain in a skill or stats....hmm perhaps like reagents would be used...duh. Better remove those from vendors...Hmmm...how about pickaxes as well? Mining causes str gains, and a pickase sure helps.

5) Is it exploiting for someone to have clumsy cast on them while training?
being drunk and being clumsy are not the same thing
--Wanna bet? It is also setting stats lower temporarily and training stats past normal limits. No need to mince words to cover your wrongness :)

6) Read these points and confess your ignorance.
the sheer irony here is the funniest thing
--Doesn't sound like a confession, but hey, when ego is all you got...you have to protect it :)

7) Happy holidays everyone :P
agreed :D

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:57 am 
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I find your argument for this lacking, Aleksander. Being drunk does NOT make you a better driver, even with practice. I can point you to some statistics from medical studies on that one, if I must. Concentration and focus are both big parts of both physical and mental skill. People don't get drunk for self-defense classes. I can't recall many stories of drunken wizards either. From personal experience I can't think of one thing that alcohol gave me some sort of advantage over others with, except perhaps patience.

Sorry, but I agree with Thassius on this one.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 12:26 pm 
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Hmm I'm not sure why this has become an open debate Dracula. You know full well that arguing with me is counterproductive so why bother?

Now, the definition of an exploit is using something in the game mechanics for a usage that it was not designed for in order to gain an unfair advantage.

I was not saying that using alcohol to accelerate gains was serious bug abuse, just simply pointing out that for the reasons outlined above that it is technically an exploit so that it is not something that is going to be a developmental priority.

In short: stat changes from alcohol may not return, but if it does it won't be for helping players train.

If you have any further questions then send me a PM. Don't start trying to create stupid and immature arguments with GMs on the forums as you will lose.

Thanks

GM Thassius.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 12:31 pm 

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I can't recall many stories of drunken wizards either.
Not wizards but meh...we weren't talking about wizards anyways...
Jackie Chan and his Drunken Monkey style.
Also, in a newer movie he had to drink his special wine to stay alive and be kunfu-riffic as he can be. Without it he was nothing.
From personal experience I can't think of one thing that alcohol gave me some sort of advantage over others with, except perhaps patience.
Of course it doesn't give you the advantage most of the time, however when you do succeed-in the UO world-it should garner gains. Of course drinking alcohol doesn't give an advantage...IN FACT it lowers your intelligence, stamina and strength while under its influence.-Again, you have to try harder to complete a task because of lowered stats...the EXTRA effort to to complete the task SHOULD garner gains in some stats...even if not intelligence.

SO! Why would it not do the same on UO anymore?

Perhaps living under the sea for so long has dulled your intelligence... I am afraid you are in the group of have-nots when it comes to common sense. :lol:

Back to the depths with you squidy!


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 12:41 pm 

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Don't start trying to create stupid and immature arguments with GMs on the forums as you will lose.
Just because you say someone loses doesn't mean they lose...being a forum ghost, seen only every year or so ingame, does not make you the next great thing.
Obviously, when a you are wrong, you decide to quit the debate and call the one who is obviously correct, stupid and immature. Give it a break.

I hope to see you ingame more often as a Gm, as with Echo having probs with his PC, that leaves no one to help ingame. I won't count on this much. History dictates you won't be around long before slipping back into the shadowy depths of the forums.
I hope I am wrong on this......unlike my points on this topic.

Have a nice holiday :)


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 4:15 pm 
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You're obviously not very good with your history, I used to devote many, many hours to staffing ingame and running events. I'm not going to apologise to you for taking a hiatus from the shard.

Now, you are being immature by dragging this out when I've tried to end it. There is nothing more that really needs to be said about Beer and Alcohol in relation to training. We don't always have to agree with you I'm afraid, and sometimes you just have to accept the response and reasoning.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 4:31 pm 

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I always used to view alcohol as just another effective way to train, back when i was a noob and couldnt afford str fish, i would just get a bunch of booze and go wrestle hinds. I just kind of assumed it was meant to be that way.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 5:56 pm 
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_Venom_ wrote:I always used to view alcohol as just another effective way to train, back when i was a noob and couldnt afford str fish, i would just get a bunch of booze and go wrestle hinds. I just kind of assumed it was meant to be that way.
Maybe it will return that way, who knows :) However the -stat effects of alcohol were designed to show the debilitating effects of drinking too much, they weren't put in the game as a drinking aid. If you guys really want it back that much I'll talk to Bob about it and see if he approves.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 10:49 pm 
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1) drinking affects the primitive part of your brain, ie simple motor skills...you can't train your primitive brain to get better over time.

2) drunks don't get better at masking their drunkness over time - it's called tolerance to a substance over time.

3) my best friend's dad was killed by a drunk driver, so I really don't appreciate anyone trying to condone such actions, here or anywhere else.

4) while I see Alek's pov about being able to get shit faced to build attributes faster, I also see Thass' pov that it could be viewed as abusing the system. however, it seems that maybe this situation should be looked into more in depth than just completely shot down.

and as for the 3) Me right, you wrong thing...this may be so, but I have the bigger penis...I just wish Fate would stop sending me pictures of it - it's getting to be a bit creepy, bro. :)

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