actually took this from the rules:

3. Keep it PG-13. We have some younger players playing on the shard, and while they may not be offended, thier parents might, and you don't want to get them kicked off the shard by thier parents.

This troubles me as i have a guild, Britannia Industrialist Teamsters and Craftsmen House of Environment/Engineering Specialists.

BITCHES

I am not calling anyone a bitch, or using it in a derogatory sense. I simply came up with an amusing anagram, and staff won't even talk to me about it, they just change it.

In an effin pg-13 movie they can say f*** one time in 90-120 minutes, and it's still pg-13. I didn't say f*** to anyone, and am still being censored.

And furthermore, a bitch is a female dog that can have puppies!

If it's not gonna be a PG-13 shard, take it out of the f***** rules

what he said!

Noooo than my mom wont let me play!

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I don't quite understand the point you're trying to make here?

The rules state that we're a PG-13 shard - and while that isn't always strongly enforced since the majority of players are older than 18, it is a rule.

I don't follow your logic with the statement "if it's not gonna be a PG-13 shard" - where did we ever say it wasn't a PG-13 shard?

In any case - I take the rule with a grain of salt. If someone is deliberately causing trouble with inappropriate words then I'll call them up on it - but for the majority of the time I let things slide. Your guild tag crosses that line a bit and you could quite easily rename it something else - so please do so.

The term bitch might mean a female dog but very few people in today's modern society use it to mean this - so please don't insult everyone's intelligence by suggesting that bitch only refers to a female dog.

phew that was a close one! I thought my mom would have had to make me uninstall obsidian!

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some sort of admin said it wasn't a pg-13 shard when they changed my guild abbreviation to BITs without talking to me. That's who. Maybe a talk should be had with that person. And if that's crossing a line, wth, that's pg-13. And it is an amusing anagram to that word. Put together very thoughtfully imho. if i can't have the guild abbreviation, then i don't want the guild. the point is the name is cool, to me, don't care if not to anyone else, and if i can't have the name, i don't want the guild.

So why couldn't someone just have talked to me, instead of this bullshit of me coming on the forums, and airing it for everyone to see. How immature is that. I figured that an adult conversation could have avoided all this, but when it changed, i went right to my guildstone and said, "Hey let's talk"... no response, until i came on here, and i finally hear you say that my guild name is inappropriate. You couldn't have talked to me? If rule 3 would have said this is a pg shard, it never woulda happened and i never woulda named a character what i named her. But it is a pg-13 shard, and i did name the stuff what i named it, because it is not offensive if you take the time to look at it for what it is. THAT OFFENDS ME is such a ridiculous statement these days. Get over it!!! Be an adult. Look at things for what they are. BITCHES is PG-13, plain and simple. You hear that word on the radio in a much more derogatory sense than the way i'm using it. Don't let ignorance be my judge.

It might be brilliant and insightful to you - and you're entitled to your own opinion, but that doesn't make it fact.

I appreciate that you would have prefered me to talk to you about it rather than simply changing it - but you were not around when I noticed it so i made a note to talk to you about it when you were next on.

The name isn't that much of an issue really - I edited it because it sends what I believe (my opinion) is the wrong message. I don't encourage or tolerate using crass words as a guild name - and I'm sure you can come up with a far wittier name than what you previously created.

Next time you have an issue about this sort of thing - could you send me a PM saying "hey Echo - what's the deal with this?" I don't have hearall on ingame all the time - so I don't always hear what everyone says ingame. I don't remember everyone's forum name either so that makes it harder for me as well. It's bad enough me having to remember account names and player names. So rather than getting angry at me for being human - could you show a little tolerance for my lack of memory and help me a little by sending me a nice little PM to remind me that I forgot to talk to you about it. I would appreciate that a great deal more than the current situation where you are hostile and angry.

Don't go putting words in my mouth. Brilliant and insightful. No. THOUGHTFUL. I was online when it was changed. Watched my screen change when it was changed. Saw ORNTHAL online that night, assumed it was that person that changed it, as i did not see your name on till later. I've been admin on other shards, but i'll admit i have no idea how things work on the admin side of things here, but it would make sense that you could check who the guildmaster was, then you could see if he was in game, and then you coulda talked to that person as I WAS INGAME WHEN IT WAS CHANGED! So yes, i'm a little angry and frankly insulted that after 5 years of playing this game, and seeing some of the stuff that staff has dealt with over the years, i thought this was pretty damn mild.

If i can't have the name, i don't want the guild. Remove the guildstone please. Not asking for my money back, which would be nice, just remove the stone. This is what i would have talked to you about. Remove the stone if i can't have the name. If i can have the name don't remove it, as i will change it back the second i have the opportunity if it is not removed. No name=no guildstone. guildstone=name.

If it's not gone when i have the ability to change the name back, i will. If it is gone, i won't ever say another f****** word about it!

and when i come up with another ingenious name for a guild. I'll buy a guildstone, and i will put it up, and i will make sure to clear it with staff.

lol

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I'm trying to deal with you nicely since you seem so upset about this - but you're making it rather difficult. I don't have all day to get all my work done on the shard AND baby you through the rules. Pick a guild name that isn't so crass - it's as simple as that.

Yes I probably should have stopped to talk to you about it then and there to avoid this whole angry discussion (thanks for that - I love having these discussions on the forums), but far out - I can't talk to you about it a day later? Demanding that I stop and talk to you right at that very moment when it's not a particularly pressing problem? That's being VERY selfish and demanding on my time which is already stretched thin.

As for your guildstone - you can deal with it yourself. I'm sick of helping someone time and time again only to have them act like you are and just make more work for me because something doesn't go their way.

Echo, you help out with the game all the time, thank you. Thank you for devoting your time to the shard. I'm not trying to be a dick, some just say that's my personality. I've been logged in several times with you on in the last 5 days. When i find a guild name that isn't so 'crass' according to your standards, i will, but you will have to be on for me to clear it with you. or when i think of one that is pg-13esque i will pm you with it. but honestly if you really think i'm being a dick, i've been nice. When anyone gets upset or defensive, which you are making me defend my guild abbreviation and name, things tend to come off slightly rougher than if you just ran into them in a restaurant.

I log on nearly every day, usually several times in that day depending on what is going on. I'm older, i have an 8 year old son that i want to bring into the shard. I have no problem saying bitches to him, but then again i'm not under the christian coalition for censorship. I love carlin's 7 words you can't say on television and the reduction of the 10 commandments to 2. But that's me, so please, for the love of whatever you think is up there that says that we're bad for swearing, remove the guildstone. You coulda done that instead of posting on here, woulda taken just as long, and i wouldn't be typing this.

Sorry to be such an inconsiderate dick, but i usually give what i get.

If I remove a guildstone I'm effectively removing an asset - which I have no reason to do.

As for your comment "Sorry to be such an inconsiderate dick, but i usually give what i get" - that's a rather nasty dig at me especially after all the patience I've shown you over this issue which you have blown out of proportion.

If you cannot understand why using the word "BITCHES" for a guild is inappropriate - then you shouldn't be allowed to create a guild ever. Simple as that.

So maybe I should remove all guildstones you own and put a stamp ban on you owning/joining/creating a guild?

That would be me "giving what i get".

I'm not going to ban you from guilds but you need to drop the "holier-than-thou" attitude and get on with things. Getting angry at me and wasting my time is not a valid way of fixing an issue - it's just called being a prick.

I do not have any reason to continue discussing this.

ok, cool. sorry to be a dick and waste your time. i consider this issue dead and buried.

T.I. Dead and gone away.

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