Lakini is right, many people, I included, would never allow this shard to die. Even those sometimes considered annoying and meddlesome will not allow it to diminish because I as many others will agree in saying, Obsidian grows on you after a while.

I've only been playing for about a year now. Not exactly old but not exactly new to anything. I've experienced many things as a player and have stuck through them thin and thick whether they be good or bad. BB, your work on this shard, although sometimes not appreciated by some, or perhaps not shown by them even though they actually do appreciate it, has been tremendous. From the population of the shard coming down to one person signed on at a time (if you were lucky) to the way its turned into now, is just increadible. Something I would have never expected to have happened in so little time, something you are to be thanked for. For your willingness to get this shard started up again and build its population which has now blossomed in to such an incredible amount in comparison to how it was before. I'd more then gladly be willing to help by becoming even your personal slave and do all your bidding just to show my appreciation, weeee? Of course helping out and becoming counselor would be a good start

I'm guilty of bank sitting and its a poor excuse to even think of apologizing for it at this time in any way but I will anyway. I guess I sort of agree with what was once said by someone else. What happens when all the skills you wanted to gm from the minute you started playing the game have already been achieved? What happens when you have more money then you know what to do with? Why not bank sit and chat with others? Poor excuses but those are the reasons behind bank sitting, at least to most players. And no, once you've gmed everything you wanted to gm, your attitude towards the game will not, ever, be the same whether you like it or not. However I do agree that its a poor excuse to bank sit. Helping newbies would be a good start to relieving players of their bank sitting syndrom, at least they'd have something to do.

Why people have chosen not to participate in this quest is a good question indeed. I don't blame newbies if they're scared shitless off of Brit at a loss for any attempts to fight because all the monsters are horribly hard to kill (liche lord shadows and all) hell they're even hard to kill for some vets. However working in groups is incouraged yet is a failure because not no one, but very few attempt to fight in numbers, at least for quest purposes. Why, I have no clue. I myself can't do crap if I go to Brit by myself (keep in mind I do suck but oh well stfu, yes?) Its hard to find someone that won't die easily, willing to go along and fight. I do try however and will keep trying.

Your hard work and dedication to the shard is greatly appreciated so don't turn your back on those who actually show their appreciation in some way or the other, even if it isn't always visible to you. Nonetheless, no one, even the stupid people who complain 24/7, will let this shard die.


gay typos..

OMG, if you have something to say then say it in english.

Im lost on the fact that bank sitting is bad. See BroadBand, one of the main things people learn out of OSI, is that the brit bank is the meeting spot, the selling spot, the everyone get together to chat spot. Its the meeting point for most shards, and the place for people to find there friends to go and have fun.

The rune chamber is a stupid place to be chatting at, but if the players do not have a main place to kick back at, then they will probably be at the rune chamber. Sad but true. Peeps need to get themselves a house or something and start a guild.

sanchezuk - Your kind of a downer after your last post with people trying to voice their thoughts and your dogging them because of there grammer. R U NEWBIE?

Broadband, I know you get down, and have gotten down alot in the past 4 years with this shard. What I don't understand, why complain about things that don't change. I see that you always get down when you get deep back into the shard. Your quests don't go your way, or people dog on gms/seers/counc or people bitch. This is the name of the game man. If you see someone say fauk bb in game. Then .kill them. Shouldn't be talkin the smack in the first place.

Quests:
Most people want to solve a quest in 1-3 hour periods. Not in weeks or months. You have alot of thought into your quests. I think maybe to much for the people that can't finish something in a day. Most people want to get items in quests. I mean if you handed out a statue that said, i was in the blah blah blah dungeon 04/04/04 on it. That would be atleast something to work for.

But you know, what do I know.

Im just King.

sanchezuk was referring to the guy speaking in Polish. We English speakers (inc BB I presume) have no idea if he's bad mouthing this thread or what.

there's one thing that i'd like to add to whatever i said previously and that's a big thanks to BB for making something which is BETTER imo than the official shards, and making it based around the people who play on it rather than for the purpose of making money.

gotta give the guy some respect for that... but you've also gotta think, why is he letting people's pissing and moaning get to him so much? at the moment i think he probably cares a bit too much about the fact that people are moaning, rather than the reasons why people are moaning.

plz take this as a constructive thing, i'm not trying to get on anyone's backs here because i want this shard to continue and perhaps become stronger as a result of this.

grimme

Broadband once you're checking your PMs again I'll talk to you about possibly becoming a moderator. While I don't have the time/experience/desire to be a counselor I'm active in the forums all the time. And I like to think that most of my posts are relatively fair minded and nonwhiney.

There's been too much whining/flaming/trolling/excessive swearing lately and I'd be happy to help stem the tide. The current mods are great, but I get the feeling that they're overworked: stuff spirals out of control for too long before a mod has time out of their busy schedules to tell them to stfu.

... One more thing... I am with Lakini I would do my bestto help out!

Maby, you should get some of the Older GMs to help you out with some of the bugs and stuff... Take some of the weight off you shoulders... if blinkers and Ori are good with computers, you could assign them some jobs to look after... *Just a thought*

Having run a mud out of my pocket i know where your coming from. Your doing it on a gradner scale as a uo shard uses far more resources than a simple text based mud. I stopped mainly because people were takind advantage of what I was trying to accomplish. As many before me have said, well do all we can to support you. You should take your break Btw, did you decide on your next car yet?

You all know how i feel about all of this, honestly zhad and BB and blinks are the only thing that make me feel like staying around. BB from that post finally put some things into place. Then again he said most of the things i couldn't.. f*** being patient with most people, and f*** being nice. OH and btw, im back =P

I'm a newbie. There's no shame in that! I started playing three weeks ago. My friend said Obsidian was free and every bit as good as OSI. I couldn't in good faith steal this opportunity, so I lied and said that in a few months I'd probably donate... IF I liked it and I thought it would last, you know, a good excuse to better leech off of the hard work of the staffers with a clear conscience. After about a week, I realized that what had been invested in the shard was far greater than I had imagined, and I got hooked. I'm too weak to go back to Britain, but what an awesome development. I was blown away, so a few weeks ahead of schedule I donated 20 bucks. Yeah, what a hero... I had previously paid $50 for SWG plus the monthly fee. $20 for a game like this is nothing, and I already feel guilty for not having more to offer. I'll donate again. I can't bring much else to the table, but I thought donating would help avoid crises like this. It probably would, too, if everyone would invest in this shard what they do in a single case of beer.

C'mon, I KNOW you guys are drinking beer. Some more than others, but I won't name names.

BB, I know you're not fishing for compliments, but hats off to you. This shard is incredible, and appreciated in ways you obviously aren't privvy to. It's put me in touch with old friends three time zones away, with whom I now connect with daily, both through our Obsidian chars and IRL.

Thanks.

Truly... thanks.

hmmmm ho wdo i voice my opinion on this. Being that i know exactly which vets whine that they want a rare item at every event. and they arent even vets there the wanna bes that thought they owned this shard before the real vets came back. Ive not seen one be civil abou tanything till recently a coupl eare better. I lik ethe fact that th epeople that bad motuh astaff ar efinally gonna get banned. Maybe that will enforce a little mroe respect and stomp out some of the whining.

When called for donations i did. When asked for help at the quest i cane running . Literally im red and a warior ui ran across the continent to get there. Not becuz i wanted anythign. Just to help becuz as everyone has said its an event for all and itll take all. I hink im one of the few people that have been around a bit actually involved in this. I knwo there ar emroe liek me who wish they had the time to get mroe involved but unfotunately not everones schedule works out.

I hate the fact that there are afk macroers all over every day all day. Though now and then i see BBs little system working. Im amazed that os was still up after i left it last. There ws a 10 - 15 player average when i left it last now 60 - 80 average. BB and ALL staff has done an amzing amount of work on obsdian which ive tried to post everytime to say thanks and praise them. This is the BEST game and it proves it self tiem and again. Too many times i here people whine and it all roots to something bad that happend to them and they dont like it. Well thats life little kid. get over it.

And flame me all you want but king is right everytime BB gets involved he takes a break becuz too many people whin and bitch at him instead of sayin wow you fixed race abilities or alright 1000 new weapons or new potions kick ass. OMG th ebug is fixed woo hoo. Maybe this week BB is gone you all need to think before you post stupid shit. its not any different than making a dumb ass page. Maybe show a little appreciation you can play a bad ass game and maybe the best quest in forever for FREEEE!!!!!!!!!!

Heres my reply to that long post...

Broadband wrote:I'd honestly say i've spend over 6 hours developing and running this dark elf quest single handedly. Yes you heard right! Those six hours don't even include the time I spend checking the forums, patching bugs and other similar things. Now all i was trying to do was create a fun quest for EVERYONE to participate in and enjoy. It was structured so newbies, veterans, PKs and anyone else could work together and have fun. Doesn't sound like that big of a request right? Well nearly every player on this shard has convinced me my time would have been better spent banging my head against a wall.

Well, i would like to help with the quest, but my warrior isnt strong enough right now, the monsters would slaughter him easily right now.
(And if not the monsters, one of all the pk's that seems to be using every chance and exploit opportunity they get just for an easy kill(Not saying all the pks))

Broadband wrote:Player killers did their part by immediately taking advantage of Britain trying to kill anyone or anything that moved. They didn't understand that this was a quest and they shouldn't be pricks but just had to keep with their ways. So instead of babysitting themselves I had to spend an additional hour just plugging holes to make them unable to loot in Britain. If that wasn't enough the new portals in Britain allowed them easy access to the runestone chamber to get back to their cheap tactics of following people and then slaughtering them. Way to go Pks!

Well, once again some exploiting pk'ers ruin everything for the honest pk'ers and all other players. I hope we will find a way to deal with this problem

Broadband wrote:Veterans whom a large portion of this quest was designed specifically for didn't want anything to do with it. They would sit around instead bitching and complaining that this quest is so stupid because they no longer get to practice their GM Banksitter skill. To make matters worse they rarely followed up on the happenings of then quest and didn't even bother to participate unless it was in their benifit. Some were even heard saying that they would ONLY participate if they got some uber rare item. Last I checked quests were designed to be fun and were one of the few things in the game that didn't care or even matter who was better then who. Thanks alot Veterans!

I agree, complaining about the brit situation isnt gonna help, just like in real world. there are 2 options, go out and solve the situation, or dont do anything and stop complaining about it because your not better than the other players that doesnt do anything about it.

And about the bank sitting. There are better ways of chatting if you want to chat. I mena, we even have an IRC server just for us (i think) thats free to use anytime when you want to chat or sell something.

Broadband wrote:And then finally players just don't even care when i make a demand. Last i checked I told players NOT to hang out in the runestone chamber. The town crier even f****** announces it, yet every time i login there are 10+ players sitting around doing nothing but chatting. I'm sorry if me caring about server stability is ruining your ability to chat, but get a god damn grip. Then the server crashes and timewarps because it doesn't save and the same players who didn't do as I asked are the first to bitch and moan. Screw you guys!

I agree again, rules are NOT made for breaking!

Broadband wrote:Finally and most importantly are you players who offer NOTHING of added value to this community. Out of 4800 active accounts why does Obsidian only have 3 player run websites? Every day people bug me telling me I should make a race guide or create a world map or something! Can you guys explain to me why Obsidian only has a select few players who are willing to spend their time supplimenting the shard through guides and websites? How hard is it to support a free shard by giving some of your time back? Whether it be moderating the forums, running a website, creating ingame events or even offering to be a counselor in your spare time.

I would like to help with skillguides and the like, but since im new here and the skill amount needed for everything is hard to find out, i cant do much about it. (plus we already have a pretty good skill guide already, just missing carpentry and tinkering skill info)


Well, i hope you keep up the good work with this shard as i would sure miss it if it got shut down.

Im gonna send a donation as soon as i get the adress to you clear.

I'm sorry it has gotten this bad for you BB.

The only reason ppl are asking about race guides is because it is custom and no one has the time to try to figure out the max % for every skill for every class and every race. Simple posting of the [SKILLCLASS #] data in the spheretables.scp file will show the max % for every skill for the classes.

I've been working on a list of carping and tinkering items but i'm going by defaults so i'm not sure how correct the info will be for this shard.

I cant believe all this kicked off while I was on holiday and i couldnt help more than just to give you my support BB, a donation will be on its way as soon as I am back in the UK.

Also, I spoke to you about helping you out before all this started kicking off about helping you and being a councillor, hope thats still on the cards for me mate as Im pretty much a plug in attatchment to this game.

I am also gonna make a webpage for the site now, seen as though Im a web designer by trade, what ya want..Flash, HTML etc etc?. Its gonna include hopefully a lot of stuff for both newbies and more experienced players to the shard will find usefull.

Right..Over and out my fellows...Good luck guys...with any luck there will be happiness spreading over the lands of obsidian by the time I get back.

Love you all

Barney[Reapers] - a.k.a Paul Harrison

*note* i did not read one single post, since i've been thru this a couple of times.

Sean, i do appreciate your work(im sure u can find this in 20 more posts on this thread). Im the first one to IM you and congratulate you for what u do, as long as its beneficial. We've talked about this before, and i know how you feel. You do work hard, but you have to understand not everything done is liked by the players. We all bitch and complain yes, and it gets tiresome after a while, so i have no problem with you shutting down the shard.

On the other hand, ive read quite a few posts like this one before. It has come to my attention that everytime things get a little bit out of control, you kindly lets us know that you might shut down the shard. Either you shut the shard down, or find another solution. I dont know... ask players what they want, and what they think would better the shard. Lately, all you care is about the noobs. Few noobs(most of them in guild wars) started bitching about getting killed and looted in britain, all of the sudden, we cant loot...Nothing left for me to do but bank hang with my old buddies, joke around a bit, and kill some players(cant even do that now)

It has come to the point where I dont care anymore, or atleast not as much as i did. It is selfish, and the only reason I'd hate to see you shut Obsidian down is because newbies wont get the chance of experiencing what us Veterans did.



P.S. i love this shard and the players. i've made many friends over the years(thanks Sean). had some great times joking around with everyone especially my mexican parents. well, hopefully you keep running the shard.

good job. *two black/jewish thumbs up*